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on: July 10, 2011, 22:38
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By Bryan D Toder in March 2004
I want to applaud Scot Giles for his wonderful article in the Journal of Hypnotism this month (March 2004). I have often wondered about the "not accredited yet" degrees offered by some. These degrees cost about $5,000 to get (a low some compared to a legit college degree) and, to me, they are a big waste of money.

First, having a PhD after your name does not mean more money. (All it will do is make your mother proud.)

Second, if one is dragged into court, I would think that the opposition would FIRST point out the fact that the degree was not an accredited one, cost about 5 grand and was obtained through the mail or internet. (Just to let you know, MANY good degrees CAN be obtained legitimately through the mail and Net.)

I was at a seminar with an associate of the organization to which Scot Giles referred. It seemed like an infomercial for the degree program (an infomercial, I might add, that I *paid* to attend!) and other "degrees" in things like Huna, for example.

Personally, I think hypnotists should be vary wary about taking *any* shortcut to success. The PhD program noted in the Journal is, in my opinion, a big waste of money and time.

But, that's just my opinion...
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Post Re: PHD Degrees in Hypnosis
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By Ed Mackey on 03-19-2004 08:48 PM
Bryan,
Thanks for the opine! Your point is a good one, and it is important to remember that many folks "hide" behind degrees, legitimate or not! Academic and/or clinical degrees do not equate to performance or to excellence, they only show the individual met the requirements whatever they may be. On the other hand , higher degrees are not to be taken lightly, they require a tremendous amount of work to meet those requirements. The most important credentials to possess are the knowledge of your craft, a caring heart, and the ability to share them. Good Luck.

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By Dr Alberto Torelli on 03-20-2004 09:17 AM
Well said, friends!!

My opinion is: GET RESULTS AND YOU WILL BE FULL OF CLIENTS.

In my bill of rights (signed by every client) I say:

1) I'm not a physician, nor a psychologist, nor a psychotherapist
2) if you want ANY form of therapy, go to the above professionals
3) hypnosis is not a therapy nor a substitute. It's only a self-improvement

But, you know, I have 4-5 new clients per week..

Why??

Because I get fast results (sometimes even the free pretalk is enough to solve).

FORGET the degrees.. they are completely USELESS

Ciao!
Alberto
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By Scot Giles on 03-20-2004 11:08 AM
Absolutely (this from someone with an accredited advanced degree).

What determines your success or failure in hypnotic practice is your mastery of the hypnotic arts and sciences and your ability to establish rapport with your client. Degrees do not guarantee any of that.

While a lot of letters after your name may make you seem more impressive at first, after meeting you the client will draw his or her own conclusion about you and that will have nothing to do with your degrees.

As most practices grow through word-of-mouth referrals, mastering your craft is much more important that impressing people with a bunch of letters after your name.

BTW, I seldom use all of my earned designations, and ask clients to just call me "Scot."

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By Shaun Brookhouse on 03-20-2004 05:29 PM
I recently saw a web site which offered an "accredited" Ph.D. degree in hypnotherapy through an "accredited college/university." The cost for this was $1000 over the cost of 5 required classes in hypnosis and NLP. In order to get the Ph.D. all you had to do (beside take the 5 classes) was write up an extensive curriculum vitae. In other words, no new training was required. IMO (unless I made a mistake in interpreting their web site) they were a "diploma mill."

On the other hand, XXXX offers a Ph.D. program (Disclaimer: I am not a part of their Ph.D program, although I am part of another program through XXX) which requires years of work. The work can include in-person classes as well as doing extensive guided, private study in which you are mentored and tested. XXXXX clearly announces that they are not accredited by any group recognized by the Secretary of the U.S. Dept. of Education. In fact, to the best of my knowledge, there is currently no school in the U.S. which offers a Ph.D. in hypnosis or hypnotherapy. Scot, perhaps you have some other information on this?

Alberto wrote: "FORGET the degrees.. they are completely USELESS"

Respectfully, I disagree. As I wrote, I am in a different program with XXXX. I did NOT decide to take the program in order to get letters after my name and impress people. Rather, I decided to go after an advanced degree through XXXXX because it was a structured, mentored program that would help me learn more about hypnosis and hypnotherapy than I even thought available. A real degree like this (not one from a diploma mill) gives proof to ME, every time I look at it, that I have training as good as anyone. The letters after my name that I have earned though such a real degree gives me proof that I have been able to start and complete a complex program for my own knowledge and development. Does it matter, then, if the degree is accredited in the U.S.? Not to me. What matters is the education I received.

For some time I used to teach people re-entering the job market how to write resumes. What I told people was that in most cases, resumes do not get you a job. Rather, they get you in the door. From that point on it's up to you.

Similarly, as you wrote, Scot, letters after your name can add to the prestige factor during initial consultations. If you have a book you wrote (even a self-published one), that can help the prestige factor, too. So can lists of certificates and personal recommendations. This type of material can help enormously in helping develop rapport during the first meeting, but from then it really is up to you.

When I was young, I was taught to value education for the sake of education. The continuing message of this thread is that educating yourself is worthless unless it is accredited. With that I must respectfully disagree. Education, accredited or not, is always of value.

To maintain certification through the Guild requires continuing education units. At this time, the Guild accepts units earned through non-U.S.-accredited schools. If people are so against non-accredited schools, am I now to assume that CEUs will only be accepted if they are earned through a school accredited by an organization recognized by the U.S. Dept. of Education? I have no reason to assume that this will happen, and I think there would be a rebellion in the membership if this policy were to be instituted.

Don

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By Shaun Brookhouse on 03-20-2004 06:16 PM
Hi All

I was waiting to reply to this post until the moment was right. I earned a Doctorate from the school Scot names in his article. Despite this I agree with the vast majority of the points he made, there was a rather unethical sales pitch which accompanied it. I did it because the programme interested me and had state approval and some degree of oversight.

Since then I have earned 2 UK Degrees one Graduateship and one Masters(Accredited, all university level qualifications issued by UK Institutions which are either Chartered or recognised by Act of Parliement) in subjects which allowed me to research hypnotherapy. The Masters Degree is in Education, and the Graduateship is in Hypnotherapy and Counselling. Additionally, I earned a University teaching credential (CertEd) which the assignments were based on the training of hypnotherapists.

If one wants to do accredited advanced degree level work, one will probably need to find a flexible department to research in, if I did it so can anyone.

I am a great believer in education for education sake I am not in favour of puffery. I am sure some do "qualifications" for puffery, but many do it to simply learn. Socrates would be pleased with many of our colleagues desire to learn and develop.

As previously stated, education should be respected, but it will not make you a great or even a competent practitioner of hypnotism. The NGH simply wants its membership to be able to continue in practice, simple as that, and there have been occasions in the past where alternative, non accredited degree programmes have caused our members difficulty. The NGH wants its members to practice within the confines of the law of the land (where you practice) and to be mindful of claims which might cause difficulty within that.

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Post Re: PHD Degrees in Hypnosis
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By Dr Alberto Torelli on 03-21-2004 07:59 AM
Hi to all,

let me joke a little.. degrees can be even DANGEROUS, because TOO MANY people seem to think that having a degree or a diploma means that they are knowledgeable.. :-))

Continued education is always needed in my opinion.. see Shaun, for example.. he certainly doesn't need another diploma or degree.. therefore he doesn't study in order to have another certificate, but clearly to improve his knowledge. Someone else (like me) can study reading a lot of specialized books, and this is a way to improve even without getting any other diploma at all..

This is why I think that DEGREES MEAN NOTHING. The important thing is what one learns and what other things one is willing to learn.

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By Tom Nicoli on 03-21-2004 08:32 AM
Alberto writes.... This is why I think that DEGREES MEAN NOTHING.

That's it... Harvard and Oxford have closed their doors. Alberto, would it be fair to reframe that this way.... "A degree means nothing if you can't back it up?"

Alberto, after following your posts it is apparent you work from the heart and have a passion and intelligence for what you do, but... though it's not necessary in many areas, it's silly to say a degree means nothing or no one would obtain one nor would any organization, company, etc, require certain degree status for positions. There are good and bad in all fields.... not all M.D's, etc. finish at the top of their class or possess the abilities to do what they do well.

I am in agreement with what appears to be a common thread between all the posts, a degree doesn't necessarily mean you do what you do well. Therefore, like in all areas of life, practice a lot, become good at your skill and the rest will come..... clients, money, prestige, etc.
Regardless of what I know and have learned and with all the television and radio exposure, if I wasn't good at what I do, there would be no referrals and I wouldn't have 80 - 100 people per week coming to my offices.

A degree, like a drivers license, isn't going to do much for you if you can't "drive." And each attended class, book read and degrees or certifications earned should be motivated by personal desire, not to create some perception, or your not doing it for the right reasons. Education at all levels is for self. To build within you the tools, knowledge and abilities to then apply such in practice. Some of the best people doing what they do have the minimal "academic requirements" but it doesn't mean the rest "means nothing".

This Forum may just well be the most thought provoking area on the web for all of us. Bravo!!

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By Shaun Brookhouse on 03-21-2004 12:23 PM
Hi Gang

I thought the following clarification about CEU's would be useful

The NGH accept CEUs that are acquired in a LOT of ways... No one is required by law to have continuing education in our field, however, most recognized and licensed professionals such as physicians, dentists, lawyers (including judges), chiropractors, psychologists, and psychiatrists are required to have annual continuing ed.

The Guild’s purpose, many years ago, in estblishing the CEU requirement was to encourage further study for each and every member and to be able, as we worked toward licensing, to use this with our Standards of Practice and Code of Ethics to show legislators that our members are dedicated professionals. We did this instead of waiting for rules and regulations by others stating that we need continuing ed we instituted the program which could come with licensing.

Annual CEUs are not required to maintain your Guild membership. CEUs are required so that you are listed by NGH as an ACTIVE certified member for referrals or other inquiries, and so that you have built a history of continuing education and professional involvement.

To make it easy for our members we have many ways of recognizing the CEU hours they earn every twelve months, the idea is that each member is putting in the effort to LEARN more.

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Post Re: PHD Degrees in Hypnosis
on: July 10, 2011, 23:01
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By Dr Alberto Torelli on 03-21-2004 01:11 PM
Hi Tom,

'bravo!!' (in your post to me) is an Italian word, and I have appreciated it a lot.. maybe that means nothing for you, but for me it has a meaning, because I'm Italian..

everyone has his/her meanings.. :-))

Ciao!

Alberto
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